Episode 90: Mariam Chtchyan

Mariam Chtchyan

Intro: [00:00:00] Welcome to the pretty powerful podcast where powerful women are interviewed every week to share real inspiring stories and incredible insight to help women or anyone break the barriers, be a part of innovation, shatter the glass ceiling and dominate to the top of their sport industry or life's mission.

Join us as we celebrate exceptional women and step into our power. And now here's your host, Angela Gennari.

Angela Gennari: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the pretty powerful podcast. My name is Angela Gennari. And today I am here with Miriam Chechen. Hi, Miriam. How are you? Good. Thank you. So Miriam is the chief operations officer at HackTech LLC. And boasts over seven years of project and delivery management expertise with a proven track record of success across diverse industries.

She has mastered the art [00:01:00] of navigating agile methodologies and virtual management tools to deliver outstanding results. Her course competencies lie in problem solving, stakeholder management, team leadership, and ensuring unparalleled customer satisfaction. So thank you, Miriam. So welcome to the show. I'm really excited to talk to you.

So what made you want to go into tech?

Mariam Chtchyn: Um, actually it happened very accidentally. Um, basically what, uh, I was looking for, um, was like, uh, English teacher. And I was just sending my CV randomly to some companies that were, that had. open vacancies. And, uh, yeah, I, uh, sent my CV to one of the companies that were looking for English specialists.

And I was thinking that, okay, probably I will just teach developers English or like make their practice. And when I came to interview, they were like, no, actually it's not like you're going to teach them. You're going to work with them on the, on different [00:02:00] projects. And that's, uh, where. Basically everything started me being in it and yeah, becoming a project manager.

Okay. Very cool. And

Angela Gennari: you are Armenian. Yes.

Mariam Chtchyn: Correct.

Angela Gennari: All right. Very nice. Do you work remote for different organizations throughout the world? Or are you based in the U. S.?

Mariam Chtchyn: I am now in Yerevan and I'm working in, uh, in Hacktech, as you mentioned, that is a company always providing engineering services to different companies and like partners.

Um, And yeah, we are working offline. We have great office. We just moved there like two months ago. And, but we also have a very flexible schedule. So anytime that I'm not feeling well, or I need to stay with my son at home, I am allowed, or like I can open a request and stay just from the office.

Angela Gennari: Very nice.

I love that. Well, and I think, um, you know, technology, one of the wonderful things about technology is allowed us that flexibility to work [00:03:00] from home or work remotely. So I think it has done a great job of bringing the world a little bit closer.

Mariam Chtchyn: Definitely.

Angela Gennari: So, um, project management, that's something that, um, you know, in the tech world can be a pretty robust, uh, ask.

So you have a lot of things that you're managing all at one time. So how do you stay organized?

Mariam Chtchyn: Oh, wow. I think there are different, many, so many books about like how staying organized, how, uh, keep the attention. And uh, I think it's all about learning the right way for All right. You personally like every person.

It's not something that is written in book, and it should be dogma for everyone. It's something that you need to try on yourself to understand, like how you should be concentrated and like how neat how you can keep everything organized. So for me, it's definitely the prioritization. How am I prioritizing the work [00:04:00] and how I'm doing stuff on daily basis.

And what's my plan for a month, even to understand. Okay. This is what I need to do first. And this is what I should do next and all that stuff. Oh, very nice.

Angela Gennari: So then Heidi, how do you guide through, um, cause a big part of. Project management is collaboration. So you have to get the buy in of all the people that you're working with.

So how do you do that?

Mariam Chtchyn: Yeah. So the collaboration I think is based on the communication, like having very good communication skills and being able to speak in different languages, but not like language as it is, but like the way that you're with different people, uh, taking into account their mood, uh, their motivation, what happened in their personal life and all that stuff.

So I think the club, the base of the collaboration is definitely communication and generally like, um, Doing stuff more, more [00:05:00] personally also like taking into account and considering that like the people that are in front of you are also your friends, not only like employees or like just the work partners.

So I think it's all about how you are treating the people and yeah, basically being able to motivate them. Okay. Very nice.

Angela Gennari: So what made you want to, um, so with hack tech, you, you moved into this, this, virtual management tool. Um, give me some of the, some of the methodologies that you use, um, to, to do your job effectively.

Mariam Chtchyn: So, um, specifically for project management, what we are doing is well known Agile and, uh, the different methodologies that Agile is including like ban, scrum ban, and those are the, uh, methods or like the staff that we are using when delivering projects. And, uh, I [00:06:00] think right now, like most of the, um.

Project managers, I'm like, they're preferring to have scrambler, which is more flexible and you are still like in those rules that you need to keep. So, yeah, I think that's the main style that we are using. Wow. Very nice.

Angela Gennari: All right. So very cool. So tell me a little bit more about, um, so you got hired as a project manager and you did that for a while, but you then became the, the chief operating officer.

Can you tell me about that transition and what led to, to that?

Mariam Chtchyn: Yeah, sure. So it didn't happen in one day. Yeah. Yeah. 27 years. And, uh, basically it just happened very gradually. I, I, as I said, I was hired as a junior project manager and later I was, uh, promoted to delivery manager, program manager, and after that only as a COO, uh, in HackTech.

Um, everything happened very naturally, I think. Uh, and, uh, [00:07:00] specifically like working in this company already. Over for seven years. Uh, I think everyone saw me, uh, growing to that position

Both: and

Mariam Chtchyn: yeah, achieving to all the success that I now have.

Angela Gennari: Oh, very nice. Do you feel like it's harder for women or do you think it's the same for women to try to get up to those chief, um, roles, the executive level roles?

in technology.

Mariam Chtchyn: I would say it's not easy. I, I'm not going to compare like a female and male way of like achieving, uh, success in career, but I think it's not easy. And I'm not saying it because of like inequality that there can be in the world, but also because of the responsibilities that women generally have, um, in their life.

Um, And also like it's not only about work, it's also about family, about kids, about husband, about all that routine that we are [00:08:00] responsible for. I think that's the main part that it's making it a bit more difficult for women to get to the success because it's not like, okay, I'm going to concentrate on my career path because you still have other responsibilities and, and, and, and, Uh, people are expecting you to be also mom, uh, to be a good wife and all that stuff.

So it's definitely not easy for me.

Angela Gennari: Well, and I think that that's generally across the board everywhere that you go, because I, I feel like, you know, whether you're in Armenia or the United States, those expectations still exist. And that's one of the hardest things. things for women to do is commit those extra hours to getting promoted to, you know, climbing the ladder to making sure that you've met all your work obligations, but also balancing that with family life, because that can be challenging for sure.

Because I think even in a dual income household, women generally have more responsibilities when it comes to the home. [00:09:00] So that's. That's definitely, you know, you're, you're carrying a huge workload at work, and then also the majority of the workload at home as well. So yeah, I think that that's across the board.

So, um, so in technology, um, where do you see things moving and, and where do you see the growth happening?

Mariam Chtchyn: I think the, like in the, the very, very like frequently, uh, the topic that we are usually discussing nowadays is AI. It's not, it's something that we are not escaping anywhere. So definitely AI and like how it's, uh, happening and, uh, what kind of cause it can have on different, uh, spheres and specifically on tech.

Um, a sphere. I think that AI is now very, very like, uh, something that everyone is thinking about. Some people are afraid of it. Some people are very excited, but I think that's the main topic that we are now [00:10:00] discussing. So where do

Angela Gennari: you fall in

Mariam Chtchyn: that?

Angela Gennari: Are you excited about it? Are you fearful of it?

Mariam Chtchyn: I'm very excited about it, actually.

And I mentioned this yesterday to one of my friends that it's not about that, like, you need to be afraid of AI or like generally everything that is related to it. It's more about having good knowledge of it to understand and be able to use it properly, because I think that people that are afraid of it, they're, Mostly those people that don't have enough knowledge and are not sure how to use it in their daily life or like in their work.

So, yeah.

Angela Gennari: Yeah. Well, you know, one thing that I can say, um, it has helped me tremendously is just in writing. So, um, I, you know, there's times where I have to put together a proposal or there's something that I, you know, and you just get like mental block because I have 10 things going on and I think, okay, I have to write this, you know, Introduction to my company, or I have to write [00:11:00] an ad for something and, and I'm not in advertising and it's too late and I've procrastinated too much.

I can't hire anyone because I need it done yesterday. And so, you know, thankfully there's a lot of great AI tools out there that will help me when, when I procrastinated to the point where I can't hire an expert to come in. So I think AI has really been a really great tool to use for people who don't generally have, you know, a skill set of writing or creativity.

Mariam Chtchyn: And even with having, I think it's more about like how you're using AI specifically. Like let's bring the example of chat to BT. It's something that like you should use for, as you mentioned, like for time saving and making like the text better, but still keeping it personal when you're like just editing and putting your touches to it.

So it's just about like still staying human and stay, uh, keeping your text [00:12:00] human as well. So yeah, I think it's just about personalizing it at the end, just not to copy and paste it somewhere. So,

Angela Gennari: yeah. Yeah. And that's been a great use because sometimes I'll have, I'll, I'll, Put a sentence in there and I'll say, make this sound more professional or make this sound more elaborate.

And it will do a great job of including synonyms, you know, just little things that I, Oh yeah, that's a great word. Oh, I hadn't thought about that. And so like, I'll use the text that I wrote and I'm like, just make this better. Make it sound more professional, make it sound more engaging. And it really does a great job of finding those words that, you know, you're, you're lost on at the moment.

So for sure. Yeah.

Both: Very

Angela Gennari: cool. So we're, um, so with AI, where do you feel like there's the most use that like it, the most useful tools?

Mariam Chtchyn: Um, I think, uh, in every field you can actually find a place for it, uh, specifically like in [00:13:00] tech field, it's something that we are using on daily basis, starting from, uh, like opening a story, uh, that is like their request from customer in tech world, where like, for example, it's appearing in Jira.

Um, Basically, like even starting from the beginning, doing the research, you can easily, uh, put some information there to understand, like, what is generally there in this, um, internet. And, uh, yeah, find a lot of stuff, a lot of data that can be used later. Uh, for the research, for creating the request, and also about the reports that can be generated based on the data that you are putting there, like the risk management, uh, quality management, and all that stuff can be done as well.

Angela Gennari: Yeah, absolutely. So, um, when you're when you're talking about problem solving, I think I also does a great job of that. What other problem solving methods do you use when you're trying to come up with like a [00:14:00] great solution to something that just has some people stumped? How do you how do you engage in problem solving?

Mariam Chtchyn: Well, I think, uh, I wouldn't say it's the method, but I am definitely for still human communication and, uh, keeping the team and the discussions within the team. So I think that's very important to still be a team player. And having those dedicated people that you know you can trust and always ask them their opinion and understand like analyze, okay, what's like, what's the AI thinking and this is what people are thinking, and you are just combining it and making it all correct.

Angela Gennari: Mm

Both: hmm. Mm

Angela Gennari: hmm. So. Yeah. Do you, do you feel like there's any validity to the idea that AI is going to surpass humans, um, in terms of like their problem solving ability and, you know, intelligence in the next few years? [00:15:00]

Mariam Chtchyn: Well, I think it will naturally happen. Definitely. Um, though at the same time, I think we still will need people to do the work.

I think, I'm not saying that like AI is going to Or take everything, maybe the majority of the word, but it's still people deciding if this information is good to be used, or it still needs to be modified. It still needs to be personalized, all that stuff. So maybe more AI will be used, but still people are going to have their work.

Oh, yeah, for

Angela Gennari: sure. So, um, do you guys do hackathons? Is that what hack

Mariam Chtchyn: tech is? Well, Hacktech specifically is a company that is providing engineering services. So what we are doing, we are, uh, suggesting people like the customers or big companies, um, to help them with their digital transformation and also helping them to deliver their products, their [00:16:00] Um, like the website or generally the application, all that stuff.

So what we are doing, we are giving them dedicated teams, uh, of product manager, project manager, engineers, QAs, and whole team basically for end to end delivery of the product.

Angela Gennari: Ah, very nice. Okay. So what is the difference between a project, um, Gosh, I'm blanking on this right now. But is it a project manager and a project developer or something like that?

What is a P. O. and a P. M.?

Mariam Chtchyn: So P. O. is a product owner, which is more like tending to product manager. And P. M. is a project manager or like a scrum master or any other. There are a lot of roles for project manager actually. The difference between them is specifically the directions that they are going, uh, what product manager is doing.

They are thinking about the product from the user perspective. They are Giving the request, this is what [00:17:00] user wants. This is how it should look like. And then project manager is responsible for delivering it with the help of engineering team. So project manager is more like the coordinator during the process and delivering it and product manager is the person that is at the end, accepting the final product and saying, okay, this is what I'm going to sell to the users.

Angela Gennari: Okay. Okay. So the product owner accepts the project at the end.

Mariam Chtchyn: Yes. And also, uh, from the beginning when there are just, uh, requests like generated from their side.

Angela Gennari: Okay, so it's interesting because I'm reading a book right now, um, that talks about, uh, like high level leadership, right? CEO versus what they call an integrator.

And it sounds like the integrator would be like a project manager and the CEO would be like the project manager. Product owner, um, because it's very similar, like the, the product [00:18:00] owner is the visionary. They're the ones who come up with the ideas. I'm like, okay, this is what I want. This is my vision. And, and then the, the project manager is like the integrator and the integrator is the one who really takes those ideas and says, okay, I'm going to come up with an actionable plan to implement all of this.

Mariam Chtchyn: Yes, that's, that's very good explanation of it as

Angela Gennari: well. Only because I'm reading this book and I think that this book is, um, it's very insightful. So it's called, um, It's called rocket fuel. And, uh, it's been, it's been a really interesting read for me because I've always been on the visionary side. And I realized that it's a completely different skill set than an integrator.

So, uh, a visionary and an integrator, very, very few times are the same person at a, at a, at a company. Usually they're very different. And so, um, By learning about this, I've, I've been able to step away from the integrator role because I've realized that's why it doesn't come natural to me because it's not a [00:19:00] natural, uh, correlation.

So anyway, so very different types of roles and very different responsibilities, um, and comfort zones. So very cool. All right. So, um, kind of staying in technology. So do you have, um, Did you have a lot of guidance and education in technology, or is this just something that you were passionate about and you wanted to learn more?

Mariam Chtchyn: No, I think it's more about something that I'm passionate about. Um, definitely for self development and continuous, um, self development specifically, like in tech world, you should. You must, uh, learn a lot of stuff continuously. It's not like, okay, um, I got this certificate and that's it. Or like I gained this knowledge and that's it because the world is moving and you need to reach after this world with, uh, like knowing a lot of stuff.

And yeah, it's always updating the information. It's always new methodologies. It's always, uh, [00:20:00] new languages for programming. So I think. Yeah, we need to keep on the top of new stuff in order to be good professionals in this field.

Angela Gennari: Yeah, absolutely. I agree with you because, um, technology is one of those fields where, um, what you learned two years ago may be completely irrelevant now.

So you have to constantly be aware of what's coming and how, you know, the, the technology is changing. So it's a very rapidly growing industry, for sure.

Both: So

Angela Gennari: what do you do to keep yourself engaged and constantly learning?

Mariam Chtchyn: Um, I would like to mention actually what we are doing in hack tech specifically because Uh, I think yeah hack tech has a great impact on my career and also on my personal Growth as well.

So what we are doing are the objectives for every quarter And of course every objective has its key results and we are [00:21:00] also studying Uh, separating self development objectives when we have like on company level, we are like, okay, we are, uh, giving you this amount of money. You can like spend it on some courses or, uh, buying books or like.

I don't know, taking some lessons. And, uh, that's basically one of the objectives that we have every quarter for our employees. And of course me, including, uh, with them and, um, on these, what we are doing is also follow ups. So every objective or like the key result is checked by the manager. And, uh, yeah, basically you're always asked where you are with the progress and people are always interested.

And we also have like the knowledge sharing sessions when you're also showing the gain knowledge to other people as well.

Angela Gennari: Yeah, I think that's really important to is just sharing ideas and collaboration and you might have a great idea that somebody else has done a little bit of work or has some expertise on that can [00:22:00] really help.

So I love that. Was it Google that had that? It was like 20 percent time or something like that. One of the technology companies did something where they gave their employees a certain amount of time to work on something of their own interest in terms of, you know, work that you thought a new project or a new idea.

And so many great things have come out of that. So I think that, that constantly doing that. I

Mariam Chtchyn: agree. Sorry. And we actually have the same in HackTech as well. And every Friday up to two or 3 PM, that's basically like four, five hours, uh, that you are just giving to your personal growth. And like, if you have any startup, uh, on the side with the world or work, you can do that and like, you can organize discussions with people in the company as well.

Angela Gennari: Ah, very cool. I love that. Well, and I think that's very much a technology thing, um, that I think a lot of other organizations, a lot of other industries could definitely benefit from because that's where great ideas [00:23:00] flow is when you have that free thinking time. So. Very cool. So, um, as far as, um, you, you talk a little bit about, um, in your, in your bio, um, previously that I read a 360 review.

And I thought that was really key because I literally just had one done and I'm curious to know your thoughts on it and, um, you know, why, why a 360 review is important and what a 360 review is.

Mariam Chtchyn: Yeah. So starting from the end of the question, like what is 360 is basically the review that is giving you the feedback, but the feedback is not given only from your manager, but also if like you are a manager, it's also given by the people that are reporting to you.

So you have like two sides of the. Feedback about you. Plus, you're also doing your own review, which is like you are sharing your opinion about the work that you did during the year or like during [00:24:00] specific period of time. And why I think that it's sorry, why I think that is very important is because it's helping you to get the feedback, even though like we, for example, are having one on ones weekly or bi weekly, bi weekly Yeah in our company but still like the discussion that you have on one on ones can be very personal and like you you don't even need to touch like the word stuff if It doesn't need to be there.

But with 360 reviews, it's uh The feedback that you're, like, you're getting, uh, from, from people that you're working with, and you can improve, and that's main goal of this review, right? So you need to, um, get that feedback to understand, okay, this is the part that I need to improve, and this is where I did well, as well, so it's not only about, um, Blaming or like pointing out the improvement part, but it's also about the appreciation that you're giving about the work that was done [00:25:00] during the time.

Angela Gennari: Absolutely. I think they're so valuable because, you know, it's one thing to get a review from your manager, but having your employees review you is really important because you want to make sure that your leadership concepts are coming through to them properly. You know, if I, if I think I'm just a, you know, a leader who is, um, Let's just say, I think I'm, I think I'm engaging with all of my staff and then, you know, they feel disconnected from me, then that's something that, you know, that's their truth and their reality.

So it's really important to pay attention to that. Like, what is the disconnect? And so it helps you kind of deep dive into how to be a better leader and a better manager. Um, and of course, you know, https: otter. ai You know, uh, an employer or manager that's important, but, um, I think the more important thing is the, the review from, from your, your staff.

So that's a very, very good feedback for anyone to have. Um, and I think a [00:26:00] lot of managers are kind of scared of it.

Mariam Chtchyn: That's not the, uh, like the most pleasant discussion, but, uh, I think. By keeping the transparency and I think that's the main, uh, point also during these reviews that you should be very transparent.

You shouldn't be afraid of like giving the feedback or getting the feedback. And, uh, one of actually high tech values is transparency. One of the five values. Uh, and, uh, I think it's this month actually, that is also like the transparency month for us. And we have different sessions in the company, but, uh, That is done by our HR team.

And yeah, I think that's very important to be transparent and be sure that the feedback can be accepted, uh, from the person that is in front of you.

Angela Gennari: Absolutely. Yeah. So, so important. And, and it also tells your employees that you're trying to do better and you're trying to learn. And, you know, by leading by example and saying, I want to do better, [00:27:00] it makes them want to do better as well.

So, um, very nice. So who inspires you?

Mariam Chtchyn: I have, I have different, uh, people that are inspiring me, but I definitely am always mentioning my son and my husband that are not only inspiring, but also motivating and pushing me forward to achieve new goals and like to just like, Uh, to look on them and seeing their happy faces, um, that's, that means a lot for me.

And, uh, specifically now when my son turned six, so he is kind of like already a little grown man. And, uh, yeah, seeing him being proud of mom and, uh, seeing him being interested in stuff that mom is doing and starting to understand what's going on this in this world. I think that's a lot of motivation for me, uh, seeing generally like his [00:28:00] interest and being inspired to achieve more.

Angela Gennari: That's awesome. Yeah. I love every phase that my son went through. So he's 17 now, but every single phase, like from when he was an infant until he was in kindergarten. So, you know, it's like every phase is so special and it goes too fast, but at the same time you have to just learn. But when he was starting to transition into like making his own decisions, and it was a very cute thing to watch.

Um, but yeah, so I love that. So as women, we give our power away all the time, whether it's, you know, criticism or, you know, just not stepping into our power, um, not, you know, giving somebody else credit for work that we did. So is there a time that you gave away your power and then another time that you stepped into your power?

Mariam Chtchyn: Well, I think it's not about giving away, but more about the, um, um, the, uh, to say the compromisation that, uh, [00:29:00] sometimes there, uh, should be actually that there were definitely times that when we came to compromisation and I stepped back to see people like how they will handle the issue, for example, and specifically being a leader.

and a manager. That's something that you should do quite frequently. Uh, not to like, not that it's not your responsibility. It can still be your responsibility, but you need to give a chance to other people to grow as well as you were given at some point of time. So I think it's just about like, um, stepping back to see other people, uh, work and to see how they will give a solution to some problems.

Both: Yeah.

Mariam Chtchyn: To make them learn on the, on the mistakes that they will do, or like also on the Right part that they will decide to, uh, handle the issue. So I think that's very frequently done work for me. I wouldn't separate specific occasion that I stepped back. But generally, as a leader, [00:30:00] as a manager, I think it's something that we need to keep in our mind when agreeing to be a manager, just to be ready to step back and to see other people doing the stuff that Like, you can do as well, but still, they need to learn, so.

Angela Gennari: Very nice. Yeah, that's, that's great, um, great feedback. So, talk to me a little bit about, um, what you've learned. Like, what advice would you give to your 18 year old self?

Mariam Chtchyn: I think it will be more about, um, not taking stuff personally and specifically being, uh, like, I think it's majority of women are very emotional and I'm one of them.

I think not taking stuff personally is very important, specifically when you want to grow, uh, in like a professional field, you should separate like stuff that, okay, this is just work, that's fine, we can fail, we [00:31:00] can then fix stuff, but just not taking stuff Personally, it's very important. And I'm saying it from my own experience, because at the beginning, I was taking a lot of stuff very personally.

And it was like, No, they don't like me. They are very concentrated on like, what I said, the words, blah, blah, blah. And now I'm like, Okay, I just shouldn't be like that. Why I took everything so personally, it was just work. It was just like the responsibilities that were on me. And yeah, Just to separate that stuff.

I think that's very important. And besides like giving that advice to myself, I'm always reminding that I still didn't change. I'm still very emotional and I'm always reminding me not to take stuff personally. And also I would say the work life balance. Um, there are very good books written about this and a lot of people are speaking about Work-life balance.

And I think that's very important. At the beginning I was like, yeah, that's fine. I will just like, I don't know, [00:32:00] um, do a lot of stuff, uh, uh, around my work. I'll achieve this, this, this. And then I, uh, watched back and I saw like, I don't know, my personal life was already not so good and also I missed some parts of my sons going to kindergarten or all that stuff.

And that's like, that's that. Made me feel very not happy. And there's a time when I understood that also it's about the work life balance. Still now. I think that people that will watch this video and this podcast, they will. Thank you, Mariam. You are so good at speaking, but, uh, they are always like, we see you when you're like doing work during like 2 AM and all that stuff, but I still try, you know, it's about, as I said, so definitely also work life balance is very important.

Angela Gennari: Yeah. Yeah. I, I agree with you. It's really hard. Like I'm, I'm a single mom. And so for a long time, I was adamant that I [00:33:00] wanted to be here when he would get off school. And so I wanted to be home when he got off the bus from school in elementary school. So I would try to make it home. And I would be here or I'd work from home so that I could be here when he got off the bus at school, but then he'd go to bed at like eight 30 or nine o'clock at night.

And then I would start working again. So I would just, you know, I would just continue to work for the next several hours and then be really, really tired when I get up in the morning. And so I didn't have balance. I tried to just do too many things that I didn't want to miss out on anything. So

Both: yeah,

Angela Gennari: I think that's, that's normal though.

Um, I think, I don't know. It was normal for me.

Mariam Chtchyn: No, it's, I think it's still normal. I mean, like, as I mentioned, I think people that will watch this podcast, they will say, MRM is not the best. example for work life balance or all that stuff. But I'm still the person that is reminding that and even to myself that sometimes you just need to take the time to understand [00:34:00] your priorities and just make like little I don't know, organizing stuff or like, uh, prioritizing or scheduling, even if it is about weekend, but you still are prepared for that weekend to spend with your family because you did the prioritization during the, uh, work that they like to handle everything to manage to do stuff.

So you still have that free time and you are feeling good. And you're like, not thinking about all the stuff that you didn't manage to do during the week.

Angela Gennari: Absolutely. I 100 percent agree. So I've really enjoyed our time. Um, is there, um, what, what do you wish more people knew? I

Mariam Chtchyn: think I wish people, uh, and specifically women to know about, um, about life and, uh, about the importance, uh, the [00:35:00] importance is that there should be in your life and put some goals because even though like we are running, um, The work, the family, all that stuff.

And specifically now with the time just running in front of us, me personally, I don't know, like how we reached to 2024. I'm speaking, I'm still in 2022 myself. So I think it's about the goals that will help us at least to track. The time a bit more. So I would definitely suggest people to concentrate and to know better their goals and to set the goals for a year at least to, and then to be happy with the goals that were achieved and yeah.

So always remember about the goals.

Angela Gennari: Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you so much, Miriam. I've really enjoyed our conversation today. Um, do you have anything else that you want anyone to know? Well,

Mariam Chtchyn: I think it was lovely discussion. Thank you to you. And I [00:36:00] think we went through a lot of topics. So, so how can people find you?

I'm very active in LinkedIn. Uh, yeah, they can definitely reach me out there.

Angela Gennari: Okay. And you can also find Miriam on pretty powerful podcast. com. So thank you again, Miriam. I've really enjoyed it and I wish you so much success. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody have an amazing day.

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