Episode 98: Tabatha Thorell

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Intro: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pretty Powerful Podcast, where powerful women are interviewed every week to share real inspiring stories and incredible insight to help women or anyone break the barriers, be a part of innovation, shatter the glass ceiling, and dominate to the top of their sport, industry, or life's mission.

Join us as we celebrate exceptional women and step into our power. And now here's your host, Angela Gennari.

Angela Gennari: Hello, and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Pretty Powerful Podcast. My name is Angela Gennari, and today I'm here with Tabitha Thurrell. Hi, Tabitha.

Tabatha Thorell: Hello, Angela. Thank you so much for having me today.

Angela Gennari: I'm very excited to talk to you. We've already been connecting on some of the mom things that we were discussing and working at home and all those fun things, but I want to introduce Tabitha to you. So Tabitha is a powerhouse entrepreneur whose journey weaves through diverse roles, devoted wife. [00:01:00] Mother of five, acclaimed speaker, bestselling author, coach, podcaster, and seasoned real estate investor.

With her husband, she navigates the real estate landscape, empowering families through legacy wealth project, the legacy wealth project to secure generational prosperity. I love that. That's so awesome. Okay. So let's talk about, gosh, what are we, where do we even start? Why real estate? Why real estate? What got you into real estate?

Tabatha Thorell: You know, I will give all the accolades to my husband on that. We were in college. We knew we were going to get married. We're high school sweethearts. We were like, I want to get married. We knew we'd be entrepreneurs in some way. He has a family of farming, which is like your own entrepreneurship. Way. We just didn't like people telling us what to do.

So I knew I was never going to work like for somebody very long. I might work for a little bit, but I was like, yeah, we're going to do something ourselves, you know, grow up with entrepreneurship. I didn't know what that looked like. Honestly. I don't even know if I knew what that word was when I was 19 years old.

Angela Gennari: Oh yeah, [00:02:00] totally.

Tabatha Thorell: I'm going to date myself, but it's like back in the early 2000s. Right. So like, I didn't even know what that word was. I just knew I didn't like working for other people. So we knew this about ourselves. We knew we wanted a big family. We wanted time freedom. We had these big dreams and we come from very rural, small towns.

So having these big dreams are kind of like, Not poo pooed on, but like, yeah, it was growing. Like no one was watering or nurturing them, you know, except for each other. And so we knew that we wanted, um, some sort of security because we knew the government wasn't going to take care of us. We wouldn't knew we were going to have that 401k waiting for us at the end of a corporate job.

And my husband, a few years prior, his. Dad had bought a few rental properties. His dad knew nothing about rental properties. Okay. He just did it because he's super competitive and his brother bought some. So he's like, Oh, I'm going to do that too. And I don't want any more cattle. Cause if you're from the ag world, usually you have cattle along with farming and he hated cows.

So he's like, [00:03:00] I'm going to have rental properties. So my husband kind of got like thrown in the mix and he saw it just a little bit. I think my husband was like 16 years old. He helped his dad. Um, Renovate. Cause he, my husband's very skilled with like contracting and pre work. So he saw that. He's like, Hey, tab, I want to buy a house, rent out the top and live in the bottom for free.

Do you want to help me, you know, renovate this? And I'm like, yeah, of course. Like, let's do this. It's going to be just like the shows on TV. Right? Nine layers of wallpaper later, like we got the house up and going and he lived in the bottom rented out the top. It was the weirdest dynamic because where we were renting from was college students.

So you have these college students and whenever you're working with college, especially young college students, you deal with their parents. Yes. Here. This was a 21 year old kid, like talking with like a 40 to 50 year old, you know, parent about rent and where the money goes [00:04:00] and all this stuff. So it was just kind of fun, but he knew that that was the way to wealth.

Like we just, we. That was one thing that we'd seen that we were like, we just had that belief from seeing other, you know, millionaires and things like that. And honestly, becoming a millionaire really wasn't even in my dream wheelhouse yet, but like knowing like to create that was like, okay, we want to do this.

So he bought a second one within the next year. And we kind of stayed there for a while until we started having kids. And then we just started accumulating properties. Um, and just Honestly doing it a lot wrong. Yeah. Oh yeah. We didn't have the right mentorship. We didn't, I would read these books. I would look at the coaching programs.

They weren't. Equal. So I just consumed all the books and did all the things and, you know, did it that way, just the hard way, like really, right. Um, yeah, we just got married, had babies and kept doing the real estate thing.

Angela Gennari: I love it. So question about your real estate. So when you go in and buy a [00:05:00] property, are you buying it to gut it and renovate it?

Are you kind of like fixing it up a little bit? Do you kind of flip them? Like what is your avenue in the real estate investing world?

Tabatha Thorell: So if you know anything about the real estate world, bigger pockets, right? Like that's the thing they like did the term burr. And before it was burr, we didn't, we were doing it before it even was a term.

Right. So it's just like you buy and you renovate and you rent and then you refinance. Um, and so we buy properties obviously that need a little TLC because otherwise, especially when we were young, we couldn't, do you think we could have? 2119. No, that's why it's like nine wallpapers later, Angela. Like we were doing the work and we like to take old things and make them look pretty.

Yeah. But the thing was, is we were doing everything ourselves and we were like killing ourselves, but we do buy properties that need a little TLC because you can always get a better price point, the better price point, the money you're going to make. Right. And so like, even if we do get a contractor out there now and like doing the work, Yeah.

We still do the numbers and like, [00:06:00] okay, this is a good investment. Even if we lose money right away, we look at in the longterm, right? Like in real estate, you have to look at things. I think that's, what's so scary for people. They're like, Oh my gosh, but what if the roof goes out? What if this goes out and dah, dah, dah, you have to align yourself where you've protected yourself enough to stick the long game because we were in it for the long game.

We weren't in it for real estate to make us money necessarily per month right away. Like to, you know, be our, you know, Um, income source. We had other income sources for that. We looked at it from the beginning as a long term strategy for retirement, for character building for our kids, character building for ourselves, who we meet with that, what we could learn in the process.

Like we looked at all, I think if you just look at the numbers, like right now, For people who have uncertainty and they're scared, they're like, Oh my gosh, I can't. It's like playing the market, right? Like you can't play stocks for like 60 days and think you're going to roll in the dough. No, there's going to be ups and downs, but real estate is the safest investment.

If you go [00:07:00] through it long term because it's an asset, it's something physical, unlike a stock that could literally plummet. You are in the hands of somebody else's real estate. I can literally take that property. Even if it's like You know, a really bad property. I'm not going to use terms that can't be used.

I'm talking about like the house that nobody wants, right? You can make it that way. Even in the market today, even today, even with, with, um, you know, inflation and cost. You can be creative. And that's the thing I think that's, that's helped us is doing it ourselves for so long is that we're so creative.

Those are gifts. Those are the intangibles that you can't get. If you just throw your money at an investment, even a syndication, which all a syndication is, is a property that a whole bunch of people. Put their money in together and somebody else runs it. Like you don't run it. So it's literally like your money.

And then you're gone, which is great. Once you already [00:08:00] know the things, but we have learned and grown so much by doing it ourselves. Give that away for anything. And so that's why like, when we teach people to buy a single family property, It might not be the most passive way, but it's the way that's going to build the character for you and your family to continue.

And then eventually by 10, because that's what we like people to do for like a retirement fund and how to hire that out and really build your family's character around it. Get in, get messy. Even if you're not a carpenter, like still get your kids in there. factor. Let your kids knock down a few walls. Let your kids paint a few walls.

Let your kids take out the trash of the house. Cause there's always going to be trash and like get that nitty gritty. You get that nitty gritty. So then, you know, when you're paying for it, what that's worth and what that means for you. And even in the whining, cause let me tell you, I have five girls, they whine about, I don't want to do this.

This is [00:09:00] hot. Oh my gosh, I'm thirsty. I'm hungry. I'm tired. You know, it's like it's building them up to know, first of all, what hard work is so that when they go out in the world, they want to be more valuable with their mindset, but they know what it means to go in and work with their hands and make something old and cruddy.

Like beautiful and redone. That's what we love about it.

Angela Gennari: Oh, I love real estate so much. So I also love the fact that you can take something and you can add value to it through your own sweat equity, you know, and, and that's so important. And I think not enough people realize, you know, what value you have it.

And you're so right. I love your vision of, you know, going for the long term because that's really what. A lot of business centership is like, people think they're going to start a business and then immediately they've gotten wealthy. Like, Oh, I've got, I've got freedom. And my time is mine. And like, you know, like anyone else, like sometimes your time is yours and sometimes it's really, really not.

When you have deadlines and there's nobody to fall back on, [00:10:00] those deadlines are your deadlines and your deadlines only. And so, you know, you might be putting in a 24 hour day because you are going to grind it out, but. You know, at the same time, that sense of accomplishment is unmatched, right? And then the

Tabatha Thorell: sky's the limit too.

So you have this, it's like the pendulum swing swing you have over here where like, literally you are the person, like there's no one to fall out back on. You can't blame anybody. I mean, you can, but at the end of the day, a true leader takes their own ownership. I don't care if you can blame the contractor, you can blame the flooring guy at the end of the day, the buck stops with you.

Yes. But on the flip side of that, I think what always has just kept me in the game because we have been knocked out so many times is that there's no ceiling, like literally like our mind, my mind and my husband mind, just because we have grown up in such just like a small town, which I love for so many things, but there's a lot of like limiting beliefs just because people haven't seen it.

Right. And so the only thing [00:11:00] that's going to cap me. Is my own limitations, my own mind. And that's why I constantly pay for masterminds to be in the room where I am not the smartest person. I am not the highest earner. I am not the prettiest. I am not the skinniest. I am not, you know, I don't have the best marriage.

I am constantly in these different rooms and not always at the same time, but like I'm in these rooms because I want to learn. I want to grow until I am in the ground. Like, I don't care if I'm a hundred and one, I still want to go to seminars with my little wheelchair. Like I still learn and I still want to give wisdom to people because that's the true meaning of wealth.

Like when we created the legacy wealth project, people ask me like, why'd you name it that what's this? I did it purposely because wealth has always been tied to like, These rich old men or like the miser or like the wealthy, the elite, which those words are great. I love the sense of like taking ownership of being elite, meaning [00:12:00] you've separated yourself from people who are okay with mediocre.

So I'm not, the word isn't bad, but I want to put a new spin on it. Like wealth is not just. The mansions and the money and all of those things, wealth is knowledge. It's prosperity. It's knowing where you're at and where you are going. And it's the legacy of it is not just teaching this to your kids verbally, but showing them meaning not just by I'm working hard.

Cause I grew up with a dad who worked really hard. That was awesome. He never included us in anything. And same with my husband. He never really asked me what my dreams were. What business did I want? What characteristics? How did he know me? I don't blame my dad. I love him. He did the best he could with the mindset that he had.

Fortunate enough to have the mindset and it is my moral obligation to help that with my kids and know them enough [00:13:00] and bring them in and say, what do you want in this family vision together, even if they never want a rental property, they will understand what real estate does for them, meaning. And taxes and write offs and business and wealth creation and what you leave your kids and like all of those things, they are going to have an understanding of that.

Then they get to decide. That's exactly right. I don't have to say like, you know, always like I told you, I told you, I told you, or didn't you see me and dad doing that? Because sometime like we hear this, like, you know, show, don't teach, teach, don't show it. Like,

Angela Gennari: it's a

Tabatha Thorell: double edged sword because if you just show them and you don't have any communication of why that's important.

It's like kids, they just, they're inundated, especially now with like social media and all the stuff. Like you said, like if I'm not a YouTube success in 24 hours, then my life is horrible. You know, they just think like, Oh, I can just get money like that, or I can be famous like this. And we're just a very [00:14:00] Instapop nation.

So we have to show them like even compounding with houses or we've, I'll give you an example. Do you care if I share a story? No, not at all. Please. Okay. So I have a 15 year old daughter and she wants a car and our kids, we always said, we will go have C's on you. And we do that for two reasons, because we say you are blessed to be our child.

And so we are happy to help you with your vision. And I that's my gift and honor as a parent to be able to help with such a big, you know, your first car. Like even if it's like, you're just, it's freedom. It's yours. Right. Right. If I can be a part in that, that's awesome, but I'm not going to do it all. So if you don't earn anything, you don't get a car.

Like this isn't like, I'll give you 2, 000. No, it's whatever you make, we will match. It shows them accountability. They get to do that. They know that, but we've also taught our kids. You can do a car and by all means get a car, because that means that I don't have to show for you around, right? But how are you?

How are you going to pay [00:15:00] for that car? Like gas and do things because my kids are active. So during the school year, having a JLB is just really not in the cards for them. Unless it's just like, you know, the babysitting job here and just the random thing. Right. So we've said like, what, like get an income property, do a rental property.

And we have, we have told our kids this since they were like 10 years old. Yep. So finally this summer, our daughter's talking about car and she's talking about money and all this stuff. And I said, I brought, brought it up and she was like, I just don't want to talk about money. I just don't want to talk about it.

And like got emotional as we all do with money, but I'm like, you know, in our household, we really try to keep money neutral. Like I'm not saying it doesn't come up in emotion, but we try to keep it as neutral as we can. We don't say things are expensive or cost too much. It's how can we get them all those things?

So I said, Hey, okay, I got to step back as a parent here. So I step back and I say, Hey, what is it about money? Like, you know, that's giving it mom, mom, just stop. Just stop. That's just, I was like, okay, [00:16:00] clearly this is not good. So I said, okay, I'm going to share something with you. Totally neutral. You don't even have to like respond, but I just want to ask you.

What do you think about buying an income property? Like just first thing, there's no right or wrong. I'm not going to get upset. Like when I say that to you, like what comes up for you? Just first thing, just, this is a very safe place. I will have no reaction. And I've done this for my kids. So they know that's truth.

I'm going to honor that. Right. Even if they're saying something crazy, I just got to hold it together as a mom. Right. And she, I just think like you have to go out and you have to spend all this time and it's so expensive and you have to go and buy this house with all this money and then you have to go and you have to find all these tenants and it takes so much time and it's so overwhelming and then you have to go and fix things and it's just like it's just too much.

And so inside, I, you know, I want to be like, no, that's not true. Okay. That's her perception of it, which that's what she's seen. Cause that was me and my husband for the first 17 [00:17:00] years of owning real estate. That was us. So she picked up on it. So she saw that and I said, okay, can I just give you a scenario?

And she's like, you know, yeah, of course she's going to say, yeah, roll her eyes. I'm like, okay, what if we went out you and I and daddy, and we found a property. And we helped you run the numbers because that's what we do. And it was that we thought that if we went to the bank, you could afford and we go to the bank and they tell us yes or no.

And if they say yes, and you need some assistance with some of the payment, we could help you. Also do a loan to get you the house. And then we got you the house. Then we introduced you to our property manager who would take care of the house for you while you're at school. They would find the tenants.

They would fix the things. They would take care of the rent and just send you a check every month. And all you would have to do is maybe talk to them once a month, maybe if something was a [00:18:00] problem. Right, right, right. If you have any issues at all, any issues, You can come to me and daddy cause we're your mentors in this and ask us, how do I solve this problem?

And most likely we've already solved it cause we've done it and we can help you through the process. Do you think you could do that? And she goes, well, yeah, just like find the property and then just like meet some people. Yeah, I could do that. Right? I love it. So many people do all the things what she did in their head when in all reality, it's about the people that you have helped.

Do you think when my husband bought his first property at 21 that he had help or do you think he went and did it himself? Yeah, probably. Well, you think so? No, this is what I mean by that. He did it himself, but he went and found the people because he didn't have the credit. He didn't have the loans to do it.

Right. So he had to find the who, but then he went himself. He took himself, his [00:19:00] mindset, use the people's who he used my in laws. Credibility

Angela Gennari: co

Tabatha Thorell: signed for it. Right. And trust me, his parents will hold him accountable. They weren't just going to give him anything. Right. He figured out the money for the down payment.

And then he went and figured out, Oh, my girlfriend's going to help me renovate this. And he put the sweat equity into it. And he did all of those things. Like with my daughter, we're trying to teach her more the who, and then she's along the process to learn that how, but Because she found somebody who has a 20 year veteran in this, which is number one for people, find the people who have done it because we have already, we already have the scars on our back.

We're tired. We have the bags under our eyes like we've done this before. Use us and we will teach you. I'm not going to do this for you. I'm going to show you some of the people that can literally do the stuff for you, but you're going to learn it along the way. And then you have this cashflow. And the thing that we're, we haven't done very well yet, but [00:20:00] I'm understanding that they can understand this.

I didn't want to overwhelm them, sure. But I'm going to teach them the compounding. Like if you invest this and it has a 20 percent return, what it will do. And I want to show them the numbers because I think numbers are powerful in that and seeing that and saying, if you guys get started now, this is what would happen.

Yeah. And showing them those things like, okay, if we do build a little online business for you, if you earn, you know, even a thousand dollars a month, if we even take half of that and we invest it in real estate and a property. And again, we help mentor them. We show them where to put it. This is where your return is when you're 21, you know, when you're really ready to go out on your own and do all those things, this is what you could have.

And then if you keep it in there, this is what you could have. But. 30. You know, my kids all want big families. I'm like, I want you to be able to stay at home or do whatever you want with them. This money, this nest egg will allow you to do that where we struggled so much in that. And I would love to show them that even at a young [00:21:00] age, but even women, my age, I'm like, give me something like, give me a number and let's compound that for the next 20 years.

So you're 50. Okay. You still got a lot of life, even at 50. Okay. You got a lot. Grand babies, you have all the stuff, you're at businesses, people, you still got inspired. But in 20 years, if you do something that's going to reap that, like how financially abundant you are and how much freedom that is,

Angela Gennari: that's

Tabatha Thorell: huge.

Angela Gennari: Well, and the opportunity to teach your kids at this age, what that looks like is so powerful. Like I have my, my son is 17 and he's getting ready to, you know, he's in a senior year of high school, getting ready to go off on his own. Yeah. But a few years ago, he realized very quickly that working for himself, he would make so much more money than working for someone else.

So he worked for Chapelay. He was making, you know, he was working like, I don't know, 15 hours a week and making minimum wage, 7. 25 here in Georgia, which [00:22:00] is just pathetic. And so it took him like, you know, he'd work his butt off for, you know, pennies like he'd get to the end of the two weeks and he was like 140 paycheck.

Tabatha Thorell: And then they look at it and they're like, wait, but wait, what's this number that the government took out? And you're

Angela Gennari: like, yeah, you let go. That's for your future that they're not going to give you. But, um, yeah. So So he learned quickly. And so he started doing little side jobs here and there and, you know, painting mailboxes or detailing cars.

And so now he's full on detailing cars. That's all he does, but he'll make, you know, several hundred dollars in a weekend, you know, and so like what he used to make at Chick fil A is like, he wouldn't even go out, leave the house for that money anymore, but he quickly has a tax

Tabatha Thorell: write off, has

Angela Gennari: a tax write off for that.

It's like, He's

Tabatha Thorell: got it. You know, you learn that you teach

Angela Gennari: them that like way early. Right? Yeah. Well, and then, you know, and then he had, you know, he'd been earning this money and he didn't want to spend it because once they start earning the [00:23:00] money, they don't want to spend it anymore. Because like, I remember the first lesson was when he wanted this pair of shoes and this was like when he was 13 and I told him that I would put 100 towards it.

There were 400 shoes and you know, a 13 year old 400 shoes like just doesn't math to me. Like, it doesn't make sense. And so I said, listen, I'll give you a hundred dollars, which is my maximum, anything, any shoes. And, and I said, but you have to earn the rest and you can't earn it from me or your father. So like he had to figure it out.

And so once he earned that money, which he did, he started doing all these jobs around the neighborhood, pressure washing, painting mailboxes. Um, he came back and I was like, so. You want to go get these shoes? He's like, no, I'm not spending my money on that. No, this

Tabatha Thorell: was hard to earn money. Now your son's good.

My daughters are like, Oh, I'm going and getting the shoes. She's like, I am getting those Nike air forces. I bought you three pairs of shoes. If you want those, you're on your own. And like, right. But to each their own too, it's like work hard and you want that thing. And I think that's [00:24:00] hard for women sometimes.

It's like, again, it's like, You have the women that will just go and, and, and buy anything and everything and, you know, whatever. And that's totally fine. Again, no judging here. Like, it's all, it's all good. But then you have a woman that's like literally scared to buy anything that's not Target. Or, you know, like I don't deserve, I'll buy my kids the 400 shoes, but I don't deserve to go buy those Louis Vuittons that are a thousand, which I would.

Not yet. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're in that place and you have, you've served people and you're working hard and it's not affecting the family budget and you want to go by that by all means. Yeah. Yeah. Go buy that. Go like go buy the bag. Go buy the shoes. Go do the thing. Right. But don't do it

Angela Gennari: first. And then blow through your money and then you have nothing to create the nest egg.

And, you know, for me, the nest egg is so important. Like it is one of the things that as women giving up a nest egg, when you have no idea what the future holds is just, yeah, that's scary. [00:25:00] You can't do that. But my, you know, my, my son is already smart enough. He put his, uh, he put some money already in his first IRA.

Like, I'm like. That's what we're talking about. The compounding that you're talking about, like, you know, just create that nest egg for yourself because you don't know what the future holds, you know, you could be, you know, trucking along and then all of a sudden a recession hits COVID hits, you know, some other crazy thing that has wiped out so many businesses and so many families have been devastated.

And like, they thought they were good. They thought they were in good shape. But, you know, that that little nest egg. And so what you're talking about with, you know, generational wealth and, you know, legacy building, I just think is just so important. Incredibly important.

Tabatha Thorell: Right. And I think with kids, if like moms on here that are listening, yeah, you also have to speak the language of your kids.

So most kids are not pain driven yet, unless they had a really hard upbringing, you know, like, you know, but most kids are desire, pleasure. So like when you can [00:26:00] say things like you could have a brand new car or the 400 shoes, you have to speak their language. I think a lot of times with parents, we want to say the things like, you know, the nest egg and when you're 40 and they're thinking like, that's a million years away.

Like this thing that. Right here. That's tangible because then that does get them to work on it and then allow them the choice of getting like actually getting that thing and then saying, is it what you thought? Is it worth the time worth the effort, you know, doing those things because everybody's going to perceive that differently.

Like your son with the shoes, he was like, I am not buying the shoes. I guarantee you if my middle daughter went and worked for shoes, I don't care if they're 400, she would go and get those shoes because she. Has loved shoes since she was two. I not so much. Like, I mean, I like them, they're okay, but I am not like, she is obsessed and she, like, you got new Nikes, she keeps them in the box.

I told her, like, we have to spray them. She uses like a little [00:27:00] magic eraser every night. They're like her baby, you know? And that's fine. Now we also teach our kids, like things aren't more important than people. So if her little sister happens to come in and like, Sharpie on them. We still love her. But I think the value like in parenting is we have to meet our kids where they're at.

Like my daughter houses, she's 15. We literally have been doing this her entire life. We have brought her with, she has done the work. We have told them this thing. She has seen it. So she's, she's heard it. She's seen it, but she didn't feel it. Yeah. Take it and that bite size chunks and a lot of people in real estate because we get this all the time When me and my husband go somewhere, we tell them what we do and they're like, Oh, I've always wanted to do that.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Why haven't you? And they're like, well, you know, the market or the money, or we don't know what to do. You know, they have made this, what I call like the [00:28:00] Adriana effect of like, that's my oldest daughter. Like so big that it's like, no, when you really know the process and the steps and you get the right mentorship.

Honestly, the sky's the limit, but we do it ourselves. And I think it's like, we feel like the pride in that, like I can do it on my own. I can, I got this. I don't need anybody else. And if you're in business at all, or even in, you know, you can't do anything alone.

Angela Gennari: Oh, no,

Tabatha Thorell: nothing can be alone. So like if you that success, that fulfillment, that light, that dream, that beauty, you're not going to get it alone.

And so don't go trying to do that. I wish we would have found a mentor 20 years ago. Oh my gosh. Under a wing was like, this is what you need to do. This is what you need to do. Because my husband was the sole person for like the numbers in the housing. And I just kind of let that, you know, be his thing.

And he doesn't, Lean on people. He's not a natural, like go to a coach or go to a seminar. [00:29:00] That's not his thing. And I was, and I kept saying like, we need to find this. And he was just would drag his feet. And finally this year I found somebody and I'm like, I am joining this program. I am going to learn this.

I'm going to learn the lending side so we can be lenders for people who need to get started. We have equity, we have this money, we have these resources. And he was like, okay, yeah, do it. And now we're learning all this stuff that we're like, why didn't we do this? 15 years ago. But that's okay. Cause it's like, we weren't meant to, and here we are now.

And that's why we try to help people who are getting started when they're in their thirties. Cause we get this a lot too. Well, Tab, we didn't start when we were in our twenties. Well, that's okay because we did it all wrong in our twenties anyway. So let's just learn from where we're at. Yeah.

Angela Gennari: So tell me about some of the obstacles and some of the challenges.

Tell me about, tell me a couple of stories of how, cause trust me, I I've did business All wrong for many years. And then like people were like, Oh, you didn't sell your first company. I'm like, I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't know. [00:30:00] I didn't know. I just, I moved and I was like, well, I guess I'll just close the company.

Like, I didn't know I had assets in information. Yeah. I was like, I didn't know it was a thing. Like I wish somebody had told me. Yes.

Tabatha Thorell: You don't know what you don't know. No, I mean, I don't think we have enough time, but I'll go with the first thing was the mentorship thing. Like I really wish I, cause I know there was good mentorship.

I just didn't find it or was open to it. Limiting beliefs, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Right. And I honestly, and I think a lot of women can attest to this. Um, I love my husband. We have a great open communicative relationship, but I didn't want to cause a rift. And I was like, if I go buy this program and I spend 10, 000, he's going to think, why didn't we spend that on a down payment for a house?

You know, like he, like that was his mindset. It was always like work harder. We do it ourselves. Cause that's what he was taught. Right. And I didn't want to cause a riff. Yeah. You know, and I [00:31:00] want to be loved by him. I want to be accepted. So I wasn't going to do that. I do that for my thing. Cause I'd say, you don't know my thing, but the real estate I felt like was his thing.

So I just kind of let it go. So the first mistake we made was not finding a mentorship, a group right away and like doubling down on it. Because you

Angela Gennari: probably lost more than 10, 000 just in mistakes. Right. Billions. Yes. Millions. Angela. Yeah. So I mean, 10, 000 sounds like a crazy amount of money, but then when you make the mistakes, that's, you're talking, you know, multiples of that.

And it's like, had I just known,

Tabatha Thorell: we would be at least double, if not triple our equity right now. I mean, you're talking millions of dollars. Like it's crazy. Okay. So that first, yeah. Yeah. Um, second thing would be that I did kind of bury my head in the sand. I was just kind of like, I just saw the obstacles of real estate, like my husband going away, like do it.

Cause we did everything ourselves. I was just like, I don't know how many times I said just sell the houses. I'm so tired of that, you know? [00:32:00] Um, so thank God my husband's very steady, steadfast, like very patient. And he's like, no, we're not going to sell them. This is good. You know? Yeah. So I think should have been more open to, like, I was in the education information space.

Like, why was I out there seeking it? And honestly, it was just this inadequacy. Like, I'm not a numbers person. I'm not a finance person. I'm not a wealth person. I don't, I'm not a lender. Like, that's for the bankers. Like, I just had so many preconceived things that like, okay, so it's like not finding mentorship, kind of bury my head in the sand.

Um, Not open to, and this was me and my husband, but both open to, uh, like I said, um, the who, like who could help us, whether that was contractors, because we'd been burned. So we tried the who and then instead of like trying more or like trying to find the, you know, working on getting the more, um, the right person and we were like, nope, nobody's good.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so finding that [00:33:00] a little bit sooner and having the connections of that. And that all goes back to the mentorship because we could have pivoted and like moved forward. Um, and just communicating to my husband in a loving way, like I want to do this, but I don't know how, can we please even take out a loan and find the right person?

And like. I know if I would have said that to him, he would have reluctantly, like, done it. I just was in my own fear. Yeah. So as much as I know, people don't like the woo woo of like mindset and the limit, you know, we always hear these words and like abundance, prosperity, and it's almost like we just like have them floating around.

It truly is like what you're holding back in here. If your heart literally like desires freedom. Now people might say, Tab, I don't want to be a millionaire. I don't care about all that. Like that's vanity. I don't care about the houses and the cars. I just want, you know, my family to be comfortable or I want this to be comfortable.

You're living in fear.

Angela Gennari: Cause there's

Tabatha Thorell: no growth and comfort, [00:34:00] honestly, prosperity abundance is not a frou frou like intangible thing. It is a tangible thing. There are laws on money. There are laws and principles on how you think about money, the emotion with money, the vibrations or the energy with money.

And when I had so many of those and I didn't even know it and I was in the space, a person about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I still had that. And so my husband was like way back, like with so many money blocks and so many, like, Oh my gosh, if we do this, we're going to lose our shirts. Right. And living in what I call the depression, it's like people who grew up in the depression, um, like my, my.

My great-grandfather and my grandma. It's like they hold onto everything, right? Everything, everything. The box that the blender comes in is still basement. The butter

Angela Gennari: container. Right. Exactly. It's

Tabatha Thorell: like they're doing it and they're literally like, my grandma was like a millionaire when she Mm-Hmm. died and she was like, oh no, we gotta save this little Ziploc bag.

You know, Uhhuh, , Uhhuh . That's a money block. Yeah. And so whenever I [00:35:00] come up with somebody and I'm like, Hey, we're gonna do this program and you know, say it's 30 K and someone immediately is like, oh my gosh, I can't. Why is that stopping you? If this literally could help you, like I said, it costs me millions.

Angela Gennari: It costs

Tabatha Thorell: me millions. And so now, and I still have to break those and I still have to crush those limiting beliefs because those are deep rooted. Like I have to rip them out like daily. Well,

Angela Gennari: I totally get

Tabatha Thorell: that.

Angela Gennari: Yeah, I totally get that. Because, you know, you were saying you were raised in a small town and I was raised in a small city and you know, it's the same thing.

Like, as soon as you start to have any kind of, you know, mediocre success, people start guilting you for that. Right? Like, you think you're better than everybody. You think you're so smart. You think like, and they immediately will downplay everything that you're doing to the point where you're like, wait, do I think I'm better than I do?

I don't want people to feel like that. Like, I don't want for

Tabatha Thorell: you, you

Angela Gennari: know, I guess. Right. Exactly. I hate that phrase. So much. Totally. I, um, but there's so much of that where it's [00:36:00] like, it's so belittling and it gets in your head and it makes you think like, gosh, I don't want anyone to think that I'm better.

I don't want anyone to think that I'm, you know, I, I'm not one of them. Right, right. And so like, you, you immediately start trying to pull yourself back down. And it is, it is ingrained in you. And, and I, I literally, like after college, I moved like far like five states away, because I was like, I don't want anyone to tell me these things anymore.

I know. I want to be able to have a wide open, you know, field of dreams that I could go after without anyone saying, Oh, you think you're so much better. Oh, you think you're better than everybody else. Oh, you know, lucky you. And I'm like, there's no luck in this. My ass off. So, yeah, trust me. I know. And that it is one of the hardest things to break those money blocks that, that, you know, that voice inside your head, it is so hard.

It's so difficult and it takes daily reminding daily. And that's

Tabatha Thorell: why information will never get you to the [00:37:00] success that you want because everything's on YouTube. Everything's on Google. Like there's a course or a book on everything, literally like things that will make you successful. Like, yeah. Verbatim.

Like, if you follow this, you can get this and people still will say like, must be nice for them. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. Oh, they can do this because dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, no. Like there are always going to, there's always going to be opposition. There's always going to be resistance. I don't even care if you're a Rockefeller.

People don't realize, but Rockefeller, who's like, I think of like the epitome of wealth, like the richest people in the world. Right.

Angela Gennari: Like they

Tabatha Thorell: had to sell their oil under an alias. Because they put the, like the government was like, Nope, you guys are earning too much money. So we're going to put a cap on what you can earn.

So instead of being like, Oh, the government blah, blah, blah, they're like, okay, fine. And they went around it and people, they get ridiculed for that. And I'm like, why they were creative with what they did. No, am I saying [00:38:00] Rockefellers have always done things on integrity and morality? No, no. It was all crazy.

Right. Right. Right. But. The thing is, is like, if you take that out, right? Like if you take your judgment, like take your judgment mask off, because we all do things sometimes that like everyone could kind of question your integrity. Um, and I'm a very integrous person, but when you take what they're creative, their imagination, their communication, how they did that and pivoted, and then it's like, they're actually worth a lot more than people think because they have so many corporations that people can't add them all up for what their net worth is.

And I'm like, That is being smart.

Angela Gennari: Yeah.

Tabatha Thorell: And when we, like, we're such a society, we're like, we're open books and dah, dah, dah. And I don't want to hide our shape, but people will also, the opposition will use that against you.

Angela Gennari: Oh yeah.

Tabatha Thorell: So it's like, you do have to do things to protect yourself and protect your house and protect the things that are good.

And money is just a tool. Yeah.

Angela Gennari: Money

Tabatha Thorell: is not good. It is not evil. It is only a tool. It is neutral. The only [00:39:00] time it is good or it is evil is for what it is used for. And that is the person and the heart. And I tell people all the time, for believers out there, why wouldn't God want more good people to have money as a tool to do good?

Like it's silly. Like, no, he's going to humble you and make you poor. No, he's going to humble you in ways that you don't even know yet. Like you're making yourself poor. You're humbling your own self. You know, like he doesn't have to do that. There's other ways to do that, but we, that keeps us safe. Because making money, something that's talked about in the Bible more than anything, something that causes more awkwardness in a conversation for people, more emotion than even when you talk about sexual predators, like money, like people rather talk about sexual predators than money.

Oh yeah. It's such a taboo topic. Yeah. Absolutely. It's such a taboo topic. And it's like, why? Because we limit ourselves, our own fear with it and what we have to do to create it. We have to give ourselves more. We [00:40:00] have to be servants. We have to be the lowly man, right? Like we have to give more value. We have to take our pride down and most people don't want to do that.

And we have to be vulnerable with it. And then we have to ask ourselves, is this running us or is it the other way around? And so even like in the real estate realm, seriously, people, there isn't a millionaire on the earth that does not own real estate because they know, even if it's not what got them wealthy, they know what it does, at least in America, that 51 percent of your W2 taxes, if you have a JLB, it goes.

To the government, you have to figure out a way. And even as an entrepreneur, it's not quite as high, but it's still pretty high. It's the highest bill you will pay as your taxes. Oh, absolutely. You know that, and you have an understanding of it and you have the who that can manage it. It's a no brainer.

Like it's not rocket science. This isn't like a hidden secret. You don't have to do Atlantis here. It is like flat out. It's been proven. Over and over. And so why doesn't

Angela Gennari: everybody do it? [00:41:00] No, I agree with you. I think real estate is one of those things that, you know, everybody should own a piece of property, whether it's yours, whether it's a rental, whether, you know, whatever it is, land, um, there's just so much opportunity out there.

So much opportunity. So what do you think about the interest rates right now? Is that something that should deter people or no?

Tabatha Thorell: Oh, no. Oh gosh. No, no, no, no, no. Like stop looking at banks. There are so many money lenders out there. There are so many ways around it. They're

Angela Gennari: even,

Tabatha Thorell: even at the interest rate that it is, especially if you're trying to look as an income standpoint.

Now, if you're trying to build your dream home and things like that, still don't be scared. You have to look at it a little bit differently. You're looking at this for wealth perspective. Okay. Like you go with your interest rate now, again, even if you're losing money for the first couple of years, remember guys, you're in this long game.

Angela Gennari: Okay. Do you

Tabatha Thorell: think interest rates are going to come down? Yes, they do. It happens. Maybe not quite as low as they were, you know, three or four years ago, but they're going to come down. It's just look at patterns, guys. Look at [00:42:00] patterns. Like, don't look at this as emotion. Like look at it in patterns. It's going to come back down.

Do you think you might be able to refinance then? Yeah. Yes, you will. And you refinance. And then it, then all of a sudden it becomes an income property. Look at the numbers. Look at the long term game. You can't just look at the numbers for like a month. You have to look at the numbers for like three or four years and then also say, okay, how can I be creative?

Is there other people's money?

Angela Gennari: Right.

Tabatha Thorell: Is there other people's money that they're willing to come in on this deal with me? They're willing to whatever. There's so many opportunities out there. We just don't want to see it because it takes more energy and time. And we don't want to look stupid, especially if it's someone like that's professional.

Like a doctor or lawyer. They're like, I'm smart. I don't need, no, you're smart in your craft.

Angela Gennari: Right? Right. Right. That doesn't

Tabatha Thorell: mean you're smart in every area. Allow somebody else to come in, build a trust factor with them. You know, everything again, make everything legitimate, get a lawyer, make, you know, cover yourself.

I'm not saying go in here with like, you know, a handshake. You got to be diligent about that. [00:43:00] But no, like if you looking at the interest rate now is stopping you. Yeah. Because you're going to go crazy. You're going to be the one that like every month, like, Oh my gosh, I'll go out and Oh my gosh, we're negative six.

No, no, no. Yeah. Look at it from like a bigger perspective because you know, I'm one that's like, live your day, like every day, like it's your last day. But at the same time. Live your day. Like you're going to be a hundred. Yeah. I'm going to be a hundred. Like I don't care what it does this year. Like I'm going to, you know, I'm going to love my loved ones.

Like I'm dying tomorrow, but I'm going to live my investments. Like I'm going to live to a hundred.

Angela Gennari: Yeah.

Tabatha Thorell: And that's just a perspective that you have to have with this.

Angela Gennari: I totally agree. So who inspires you?

Tabatha Thorell: Oh, man. Um, okay. Like this is going to sound like totally, totally, If anyone's in the personal development stage, you know, Tony Robbins was one, um, that I know a lot of people say, and they're like, yeah, I look at, um, [00:44:00] look at it from where he was like in the eighties and nineties and his personality and where he is now he has a three year old daughter.

I have a three year old daughter. So like, Sage, like we had babies like around the same time and he's like 62 and so I'm 39. So like, but I look at his life perspective and like what he's been through and he literally could be like, hang up his hats. Like I mean he has so much money and so much impact and he's made so much impact and he still continues to do the hard things and that I look up to because anytime I don't want to do the hard thing, I'm like, It's not like, Oh, I could never be a Tony Robbins.

I'm not meant to be a Tony Robbins, but what he does physically, mentally to make himself a better human.

Angela Gennari: It's

Tabatha Thorell: just really, that really does inspire me. You know, I, I really, um, that does beyond that. I mean, other than like, honestly, Jesus, like that's weird, but it's like, I could literally live like Jesus did when he was so giving every day.

I'm like, Oh, I fall short of that. But [00:45:00] I don't get wrapped up in other people because I always think you don't know the full story like Sarah Blakely, of course, her story is amazing. You don't know behind the scenes, Oprah, like her story is amazing and she's been through this turmoil and all this stuff.

But I think sometimes when people get this like, I don't mentality of other things. It's like, you don't really know what they went through. Even if you read the biography, even if you have everything, it's like, you don't live their day to day for me to be like, Oh my gosh, like I don't get starstruck very like, you know, it's just like, I even think if I saw a celebrity, I mean, I kind of be like, Oh, okay.

But like, I don't get engulfed in that realm. Um, speakers inspire me more than anything, and I might not even know their name, but it's the stories that they tell and how they tell them that inspires me more than just like. A particular human, because there's a lot of amazing humans on this earth and humans that we don't, we'll never know their name, you know?

[00:46:00] And so it's like, I just think the stories of that and just humanity of like how you can make yourself better, even when things are already great. And I think that's why Tony Robbins for me is because you can do things to make yourself great when you're, uh, At the bottom because you want to get to the top, but when you're already at the top and you're still doing things to make you great, um, and not just for it to be famous and not just to have accolades, but literally, cause you want to be better,

Angela Gennari: that

Tabatha Thorell: is like the epitome of that.

And I, I still don't even think Tony Robbins has got the recognition that he should like, even though like most people know who he is, but unless you're in the industry that we're in. It's like, Oh yeah, Tony Robbins, that motivational guy, but like who he truly is as a human being. I don't think, I think it'll be way past his time when he'll finally get the recognition that he deserves.

Angela Gennari: Wow. It's interesting. Yeah. I read a lot of his stuff [00:47:00] and I watched a lot of his videos. He's very motivational, but you're right. He's very, very, very dedicated. So, um, and that dedication is what is the drive, you know, that that's what helps to, to make it all come together. So as women, we give away our power all the time, you know, whether, you know, whatever that looks like, you know, we just give away our power.

So you kind of touched on it a little bit when you were talking about like, you know, I knew this was the right thing to do, but I was afraid to say it. So can you tell me about another time that you gave your power away? And then another time when you stepped into your power? Um,

Tabatha Thorell: honestly, I think

My early twenties, I would say I gave my power away the most. And my teen years, my teenagers, my 20, um, I was always told I was too loud. I was too strong, like strong personality, like, and I just came across too strong for people, even though they thought that I was really happy and upbeat, it was like too much, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. And, um, I needed to quiet down and [00:48:00] I needed to, you know, keep the lid on it. Right. So like in college, I was like, Oh, when I drink. People think I'm fun when I don't drink, like I better keep it lit down. Right. Now a drink, I'd be just this loud and fun. And then my sister was an alcoholic and, um, I went through all that with her and I'm like, I am just going to be me and never touch alcohol again.

Cause it's like, yeah, fortunately didn't get sucked into that. Like I very easily could have been

Angela Gennari: absolutely.

Tabatha Thorell: I think for me thinking small, like growing up, I was always like, I need to get a good job. Like I need to go to college. I need to get a good job because I need to make money. Cause we struggled a lot growing up, but I also wanted time freedom, but I didn't know how to marry those.

And so I just kept, again, kept a small, and even when I got involved with the direct selling company, unfortunately, there were people above, like above me that were making more money than me. But Honestly, like I just had a better stage presence. I could [00:49:00] deliver messages better and they wouldn't let me speak because I wasn't making as much money as them.

Angela Gennari: What? That's crazy.

Tabatha Thorell: And, um, but it did teach me two things. It taught me like, okay, money does talk like you have to show up in that like tab. You can't just live in this world and be like artsy da da da. Like you can't just live fulfilled. Like you have to show success in this world. Like it or not,

Angela Gennari: like agree

Tabatha Thorell: with it or not.

It is like, it's like a law that you have to, like, if you want to be like known and seen, you have to kind of put the money where the, you know, your words are. And so I learned that lesson, but I also learned, like, I wasn't going to let that Be my story. And I was going to let other people, you know, and kind of do that.

So I gave a lot of the power away then honestly, when my mom, my mom passed away in 2015, my sister passed away in 2018. My sister passed away. Um, there was a lot of limiting beliefs to that because she was like my best friend, but because she was an alcoholic, I was her punching bag. So [00:50:00] like a lot of the, Oh, must be nice to be you.

Oh, tab. You're so loud. Oh, you always want new clothes. Like all the things that I desired. It was like wrong in her eyes. Well, I viewed her opinion. So I shrank really small when she was alive. And when she passed away, I was able to like release those chains, but then with that felt guilt. So I had to like work through all of that of like, okay, this is who I am.

And I didn't want her to die for that to happen. But it was just that weird. Feeling. And so I think I really came into myself then was like, no, I'm going to do this. It's when I launched my first business separate from somebody else. It was when I just would take those steps where I became a co author. I started speaking more.

I, you know, all the steps I started my first podcast then, like, I can do this. I'm free of that. Now, honestly, I would say on a monthly basis, like I give my power away. I take it back. I [00:51:00] give it away. I take it. And you know, those insecurities, they don't just go away overnight. And I hope one day that it's like years, you know, where it's not months.

But I mean, there are certain times when I'm like, I know I shrink.

Angela Gennari: Yeah.

Tabatha Thorell: Oh, I get my power away because whatever, you know, I want to serve somebody else in this way, or I want them to have their dreams or like, I'm a mom. So I'm like, Oh, my kids deserve to have this. I will not do this or this thing here, or is this selfish or is whatever story.

And so. I give it away and little bits. And then I'll look back and I'll be like, wait a second. Yeah. Yeah. Like that is not who you are coming to who you are. Stop people pleasing. Cause you're never going to please people. Like you're my husband. I am not, I'm not called on this earth to please other people.

I'm right. Or to fulfill my calling, my gifts on this planet. And Even, and I find myself, and you might find yourself in this in [00:52:00] business, like if I'm not getting paid for it, does it really matter? It's kind of like if you scream in the forest and nobody hears you. Yeah, do you really scream? Does anyone hear it?

Right. It's kind of like that, but I have to step back and be like, I'm still giving my gift. Like this podcast, right, is not going to make me any money in this moment. You did not pay me to come on this podcast, right? Right, right. It doesn't mean that down the line, it won't, but that doesn't mean that doesn't denote my message here.

That doesn't mean that I need to dole down and be like, well, I'm not going to get paid for it anyway. So I'm going to be in sweat pants and just be like, yeah, whatever, Angela, I'm going to give everything no matter what, because money doesn't rule me. See before in my network marketing company, when people said I couldn't speak because I wasn't making enough money that set a seed.

Angela Gennari: And I was

Tabatha Thorell: like, well, wait a second. Wait a second here. Like I am powerful. Like my voice is powerful. And God really showed me this a couple of years ago after my fifth daughter, like you are meant [00:53:00] to roar. Like your voice is meant to be heard, whether you get paid for it or not, whether it's your, whether it's your income source or not, like you gave you the gift of speech, but it is your job.

To perfect it. Yeah, absolutely out there and just jabber and talk and, and vanity and, and, you know, what everybody does in venting.

Angela Gennari: Cause I

Tabatha Thorell: can do that too. So I had to hone that. And I think women, when we give our power away, it's like, Oh, well, God didn't really want that. Or I wasn't really meant to do that.

No, no, no, no. You have that gift, but it wasn't sharpened yet.

Angela Gennari: We

Tabatha Thorell: have to sharpen our skillset and our gifts. And then you'll know, like, you'll just know it gives you, it's what gives you energy when you're doing your gift.

Angela Gennari: Well, and I think influence is one of the most precious things we could give, you know, like when you, when you teach, when you educate, when you influence, when, when you are putting a positive message out there and you are inspiring other people to live their dreams, it's one of the best ways you can give back, [00:54:00] you know, that's not monetary, you know, like you, you are actually creating so much wealth for yourself just in, in the ability to affect others.

Yeah. And that as well.

Tabatha Thorell: Yes, absolutely. 100%.

Angela Gennari: So one last question. Um, and I have really, really enjoyed talking to you, Tab. You are such a wealth of information and I have just enjoyed it. You have so much energy and I love it. And don't ever shrink yourself or anyone. So I work on it every day. Yes.

Tabatha Thorell: Yes.

There's women on here. And I just want you, if you are, have you quieted your voice or someone who's told you you're too loud, too energetic? Stop it. Like, yeah, they're not the ones

Angela Gennari: who

Tabatha Thorell: need to hear it

Angela Gennari: because there's other ones that need what you have. Absolutely. A hundred percent. I agree with you. So my last question is, what do you wish more people knew

Tabatha Thorell: other than the wealth principle because I really do think that that is an unveiling.

That's [00:55:00] one of my, um, Missions on earth. Why God put me here is to lift the veil of like wealth and money. So many people have that. And it saddens me because so many people they're so close to it. And it's like the veil. So I think first of all that, but more importantly, what we just talked about is the veil of your gifts.

You literally were put on this planet for a purpose, and I know you hear that, and it's a bumper sticker, and it's a book, and it's a Saturday night special, but literally, like, no one has your DNA, no one has your personality or characteristics all meshed together. You're gifting.

Angela Gennari: For

Tabatha Thorell: some reason, You thought it wasn't as important as XYZ because we compare ourselves

Angela Gennari: or

Tabatha Thorell: your gifting got you in trouble in school or with parents or caused you some sort of pain.

And you thought, Oh, that's not a real gift. Like people make money. By helping other people build relationships, people make money by [00:56:00] packaging things because they're very organized and precise. Like there isn't a job, a skill set on this planet that you can't monetize. But beyond that, what is it? Again, energizes you, what fulfills you.

And I promise you, you can make that into an income. I promise because in our world today, literal, there is people who pick up other people's dog poop for a job for everything and all in between. Okay. So there isn't a skillset, something that you have inside, but again, there was something that caused you pain along the way and you know what it is.

Like you really do. And the fear is there. It's just not. I don't want to say it's not real because for some people, it literally is like a physical thing. Like they feel the fear. The problem is, is you've kept it inside. And I encourage you today to go to a girlfriend, a safe person, whether that's your spouse, your mom, your sister, a girlfriend, and literally go to them.

And if you don't know what it is, ask them. But if you [00:57:00] do, Share it with them. Like, just bring it to light. That's all I'm asking. You don't have to go pursue a singing career. Just say, I've always wanted to be a singer. Like, tell somebody.

Angela Gennari: And I

Tabatha Thorell: promise you, I promise you, and if not, find me on Instagram and say, Tab, you promised me and you didn't, okay?

I promise you, if you give it a little at a time, like, God will bring fruition to that.

Angela Gennari: Whether

Tabatha Thorell: that's you become like, say it's a singer, all of a sudden you're going to be offered to sing at church or at community centers, or someone's going to ask you for voice lessons. Something will happen and it might be little and you might not notice it.

Angela Gennari: Yeah.

Tabatha Thorell: Yeah. Take notice. Because when I finally said, okay, God, use my voice. I was asked to speak on podcasts. Um, I was asked to host my own podcast. Um, I was asked to speak on other people's stages. Things started happening. Like it wasn't what I wanted yet, but it was the little stair steps to it. And then doors open of like, Oh, this is [00:58:00] how you get on bigger stages.

I'm not there yet. But I'm open to that. And because I did the little things, I'm going to be ready for the big things. Even in real estate. I told you guys, we did it wrong for 20 years. Don't do it that way. All this stuff, but it all led to where we are right now. And if this opportunity was given to us even five years ago, I don't know if we would have taken it.

Don't because we weren't in the place. God knows the timing, the universe, whatever you believe. Like, I believe that God knows your timing more than you, but you have to speak it, express it, write it down, share it with somebody, but then don't close it up. Yeah, you have to say it and then like, become ultra aware, like, Oh, there was a singer on TV.

Like, honestly. And some people think that this happens by chance and I still think it's God, whether it's Facebook or not, but all of a sudden I started getting these ads on Facebook that was like, and then like Netflix, you know how like Netflix, like. It says like what your suggested things are, [00:59:00] speakers and like documentaries, which is speaking right.

And like all this stuff started coming up and I'm like, okay, like I'm going to be aware of it. Now there is a science thing for that. We're part of your brain. But that's why I want you to say it because then you will start to recognize it because God has already been showing you, but you oblivious to it because it's been so buried.

So if you bring it to fruition, your brain scientifically will show you the steps to that. And then guess what happens? You're happy. You're joyful. You're playful with your spouse. You're playful with your kids. Your kids notice it. Your coworkers notice it. You're a joy. Instead of that, like, Oh, it must be good to be them.

And yeah. Oh, expensive. Oh my gosh. I can't believe how expensive groceries are. Go make more money. Yeah. Expensive. I spent over a thousand dollars a month on groceries for my people. Like it's, it happens. So I got to go work and I got to find the [01:00:00] thing that's passionate for me, you know? So it's like, stop being the, what was me and start being the light.

And you start by just saying what you love, what you're gifted at. Remember when you were a kid, I've always liked to talk. I've always liked to teach and, you know, be that person. That's like, um, inspiring for people. I've always loved that. I just closed it because so many people made fun of me for it, but now

Angela Gennari: do it.

Tabatha Thorell: I

Angela Gennari: agree. Well, thank you. You are amazing. I think you are just. So inspiring. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us for

Tabatha Thorell: having me. Thank you for the opportunity.

Angela Gennari: Absolutely. So how can people find you?

Tabatha Thorell: I am on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn. Most of the time it's either tab Thorell or Tabitha Thorell.

And if you don't have the links, I'll get them to you. Keep legacy wealth. Is the website. If you guys are like tab, I want to know more about real estate or how can we build these wealth principles in my kids? I want to be more connected with my kids. I don't want my job or my, my business to come in between me and my family.

[01:01:00] Cause ultimately most of the time you work because you want to provide for your family. You want more time with your family, right? So when you can connect with that and you can be around other people, community of people, my husband and I are building a community of people of high, I mean, we're talking high level here because we want.

The high level people that want to make that impact, not only for their business. But as a family vision, family focused, and that's what we're looking for. That's keep legacy wealth. com. We have some freebies on there as well. Um, and I have a podcast called, um, what went wrong? The untold stories of bouncing back.

So I love that.

Angela Gennari: That's very, very

Tabatha Thorell: platform and all that stuff.

Angela Gennari: Very cool. And you can also find all of those links. So hopefully they're all on pretty powerful podcast. com. So we'll make sure they're all there. So thank you so much again, tab. You've been amazing. Absolutely. And, uh, we look forward to seeing you on another episode of the pretty powerful podcast.

Have a great day, everybody. Bye bye.

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